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Thursday, October 27, 2005

question from the forum

From MJ, http://www.churchetc.blogspot.com/:
"Do you think that a traditional church such as the Cathedral could have services with elements of sanctus, or do the two ends of the scale have to remain seperate?"

Interesting question. What do we do? What makes us distinctive? Are we integrated with traditional church or separate from it? Discuss.

posted by LauraHD @ 8:58 AM  


4 Comments:

  • At 9:34 AM, Blogger Daniel said…

    My immediate response is - what is meant by 'traditional church' ? What tradition(s) are we talking about here?

    I think the term is often used quite lazily, to mean "anything which doesn't look like the emerging church"?

    So 'traditional' becomes 'the other' which we define ourselves against, so tradition becomes a bad word and we get obsessed with the cult of the new.

    Also, anyone who has come into contact with other emerging churches / alt.worship groups (e.g. at Greenbelt) should be quite aware that we have our own traditions now. You can't carry on being 'alternative' or 'non-traditional' for ever.

     
  • At 11:52 AM, Anonymous Andy said…

    The distinction can become quite blurred. Clearly the cathedral is more "traditional" than most churches and at a Sunday morning service might feel very different than Sanctus (so might another emerging church). At another time they may do something that feels more "alternative".
    I've been involved in "traditional" parish church where on occaisions we've done most of the things Sanctus would do in a service. Not usually all in one service, but occaionally it has been not very diferent from Sanctus at all. The main distinction is that at Sanctus we don't tend to sing and in any other setting I have sung (and of course some other "emerging" churches do sing).

    This Christmas, Ben & I, are hoping to have a midnight Service at Trinity that holds together "traditional" and "alternative". We hope that it will feel safe enough for those expecting to sing carols with a priest stood at the front and yet will also be able to feel 'inclusive', 'creative' 'culturely relevent' etc. I think it can be done in a positive creative way but we'll see how it goes on 24th/25th December!

     
  • At 9:16 PM, Blogger Fat Roland said…

    If we're being really honest, Sanctus 1 is as traditional as doilies and crochet; I think its style would dovetail into a cathedral service very well.

    However, I find Manchester cathedral very oppressive and I would probably just cry in the corner all the way through.

     
  • At 7:16 AM, Blogger Katie the small said…

    I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think that Sanctus encorporates elements of the "traditional." (Most of us have a church background of some sort.) I also think that many "traditional" churches encorporate elements of the "emerging" church whether they know it or know, or whether they like it or not.

    Part of what I'm missing about Sanctus is the freedom to be myself. I feel like I have to leave a bit of myself out in many "traditional" church settings. At Sanctus, I felt like I could be whatever I was and didn't have to put on any masks.
    Discussions and thought are key in a normal meeting. That is not how I've encountered "Church" elsewhere. (I even know a preacher over here who talks about "what we're going to discuss" in his sermon, although there is a severe lack of any form of interaction.)
    Sanctus also seems to have the ability to pick up and move to a different place. It's normally at one place, but things linked to the group carry out into other places, like the pub.

     

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